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Chapter 1000 Two hundred 34 Interview (4)
"I said that science needs to be supported by capital. Actually, it makes sense. Otherwise, you don't have the money to build a laboratory, and there are expensive equipment. There is a big difference between a scientist and an entrepreneur."
"The second stage is the growth stage, that is, the initial application stage. At this time, external venture capital comes. The market economy has indeed played a big role in this stage. Back then, the old Maozi did not emphasize market competition in the take-off stage, and the efficiency will immediately follow. fall down."
"But does the government have any role at this stage? Because it is very easy to cause bubbles at this stage, and the stock market is pushed up to the point where I am even afraid of seeing it myself."
"A typical example, the Internet from the 90s to the beginning of the new century was born as a new industry and the bubble was blown, isn't that how it came about?"
"So no matter whether the government plays a role or not, whether it sets standards will play a big role. Apple was almost killed by Microsoft, which is a typical example of backward technology almost starving advanced technology, so it doesn't mean that what exists must be right. .”
"What is the reason? The government gave up setting standards and let the backward enterprises monopolizing the market set standards, so there will be unreasonable phenomena."
"Then you in the West talk about marketization and legalization with me. Do you let monopoly companies formulate it? Or let you make it up by someone who claims to be a top-level design and doesn't understand anything?"
"Have you ever done business? Have you ever done that industry? Do you understand the actual situation? Have you ever done data analysis? Right?"
"The third stage of maturity seems to be the housekeeping skill of the neoclassical economy, as if it can let go of the invisible hand."
"Actually not necessarily, because the most typical phenomenon in the third stage of maturity is that neoclassical economics cannot explain why giant enterprises and small enterprises can coexist, so even in the mature stage, the government still has a role. What role should it play?"
"Establish an anti-monopoly law to prevent large companies with outdated technologies from using their inherent market dominance and patent barriers to curb the entry of new companies."
"So Mr. Edward Lazer was talking about the protection of intellectual property rights. I want to ask whose intellectual property rights he protects? Are you protecting sunset industries or emerging industries? Unfortunately, what I see is that old Americans are protecting sunset industries. This also has data, and I prefer to use data to speak.”
"For example, a recent typical example is Elon Musk, who is known as 'Silicon Valley Iron Man'. I have met him many times. Coastline also has commercial cooperation with Tesla, and the cooperation may be deepened in the future."
"Then let's talk about the inventor of emerging industries like Musk. He was so angry that he pulled Tesla to China to build a factory. This is why emerging industries are forced to go overseas, so North America is calling for a return to manufacturing. , you solve this first...future technology is a special case, and our future technology is actually the source of technology."
"Let's get to the bottom of the matter, like Tesla, even if you look at the whole of China, many of the technology sources are developed by the old American side, and then China develops first, and then returns to the old American market to compete after the experiment is successful, defeating the original competitors. , which is equivalent to what our great man said about encircling the city from the countryside.”
"It's also equivalent to complex science. As Professor Chen said, I don't have the soil to live in Harvard and Chicago, so I go to other places to make it bigger and then turn it around. The countryside surrounds the city, and an edge challenges the core. "
"Our Future Technology Group adopted such a strategy in the early days of its establishment. At the beginning of the company, we did not have the ability to challenge and change the old pattern and giants in the domestic market."
"We have advanced emerging technologies, but we may not be able to win if we fight head-on, because they occupy a dominant position in the market. If you have no technology, no capital, and no contacts, commercialization can't be carried out. How can you take off? Then the final result may be that advanced technologies are lost. Starve to death, or be swallowed by your opponent."
"What about the fourth stage of aging? The role of government is coming."
"Enterprises are in decline. You say that the old American economy is in recession, and our economy is going down. The government came out to rescue the market."
"We have ordinary nerds with bookishness in their mouths who still yell abstractly 'the country advances and the people retreat' all day long."
"Then what is 'the country advances and the people retreat'? You said that an old man can't walk, do you want a young man to help him? Even if he dies, do you want to take care of his funeral?"
"You just leave him there after he's dead? So the person who said that doesn't have a basic economic concept, so when your child grows up, should you shelter him from the wind?"
"The old man is 90 years old and can't walk. Do you want to help? So use bookism to talk about 'the country advances and the people retreat'. In fact, when you look at the biggest mistake in economic theory, it is the Nobel Prize-winning Arrow De. Blue model, all the products in it have an infinite life."
"I said that even if you sell vegetables in the market, there is a cycle, right? After a long time, the fresh vegetables will rot. You can only throw away the rotten vegetables for fresh processing, and then find a way to put fresh vegetables in the market. It’s the same reason to sell baskets.”
"As long as you put in that every product has its life cycle and every enterprise has its life cycle, then all the neoclassical economics theories are all over, and one more thing has to be added. If there is scale competition, the general equilibrium will not exist. .”
Zhou Xin: "Mr. Li's words are astonishing, you still say you are not an economist?"
Li Linfei: "Haha, to be honest, I'm really not. I didn't graduate from university, and I never got a degree in economics."
Zhou Xin: "However, the professional knowledge you talk about is more professional than those economists with doctoral degrees. I think you are nameless but real."
Li Linfei: "Thank you for your praise. Cut this paragraph out. You have to cut it out. Otherwise, I won't accept you if I want to interview you next time."
Zhou Xin: "HaOkay, then there is one last big question, Mr. Li, can you use the perspective of the metabolic economic growth theory to talk about the rise and fall of enterprises, industries, and even civilization and our Chinese civilization? What about the plan?"
Li Linfei: "It is definitely too late to talk about the specific theory of metabolism in an interview, and Professor Chen must have more say than me in the specific theory of metabolism, so I will briefly mention my opinion. What is the difference between the Chinese plan and the West? In fact, I said is definitely not complete."
Zhou Xin: "I would like to hear the details."
Chapter 1000 two hundred 35 Li Linfei's plan
Li Linfei nodded: "First of all, I think the title of Adam Smith is wrong - the wealth of the country."
"In fact, we know that wealth is a fictitious number, which is completely constructed by power, but what is really difficult is how to cooperate with the increasingly detailed international division of labor."
"The most difficult thing for railway workers is to cooperate, especially during the peak season of Spring Festival travel. If this train comes, there is no phone call, and the two trains collide, it will be over, and the invisible hand will be damned."
Zhou Xin: "Puchi...I cut off that part just now."
Li Linfei: "So the real advancement of our Huaxia plan lies in the increasingly developed international division of labor. I can say that the ability of Huaxia people to coordinate, dispatch and cooperate with each other far exceeds that of Western developed countries."
"Of course it surpasses other developing countries, so our characteristic is the coordination mechanism of division of labor and competition. For example, some well-known Weibo Vs and 'Leading Party' know how to open up every day, so how to open up? He doesn't talk about it, and he won't talk about it .”
"Then how did we open up? Independent openness is not the forced openness of the Yapian war, nor is it dependent openness like Eastern Europe and the Philippines."
"Who do they rely on? The West, frankly speaking, is the old America, so there is no middle-income trap, you only have to rely on the economic trap."
"Argentina was richer than the old America back then. What happened? It became the first country in history to fall from a developed country to a developing country. Can you believe it, now it relies on the old American economy, especially the old American finance."
"Such an economy will collapse if it says it will collapse. You can look at the inflation rate in Latin America."
"So being open doesn't mean success. Being open may die faster. Some big Vs on Weibo, the so-called 'leading parties'... When the storm comes, they are still calling us to open up. Then you must at least know that it is raining heavily. Go under the eaves to shelter from the rain, and into the harbor to shelter from the wind."
"The strategy of a group of people in China is to stay the same and respond to all changes. Opening up is the end of the game. When the storm comes...call for openness! The sun comes out...call for openness!"
"You're still shouting for openness when you sleep at night. You have to at least keep pace with the times and adapt to local conditions."
"Then I think Huaxia's independent opening up is organically combined with the reform of the 'dual-track system'. What is the 'dual-track system'? Both stability and innovation must be considered."
Zhou Xin: "In terms of innovation, you may have the most say in technological innovation, Mr. Li."
Li Linfei: "Whether technological innovation or other innovations, there is no doubt that your innovation must be a subversive process, so from the history, many subversive processes are accompanied by revolution, turmoil or the Great Depression."
"Even if it's lighter, at least labor pains are unavoidable, right, so I think this invention of China is an unprecedented plan or experience, China's plan, China's experience."
"It's a dual-track system!"
"On the one hand, maintaining social stability, on the other hand, opening up the special zone. This time, we chose Xiangzhong City for the establishment of 'Life Ray', wireless power transmission technology, and unmanned autonomous driving technology. Frankly speaking, it is in the high-tech zone of Xiangzhong City as a pilot project. .”
"Let's try it out here for ten or eight years. If we are competitive, we will make it bigger. If we can't win, we will make it smaller. If it doesn't work, we will kill it. I won't teach the whole country to cause social unrest, right?"
"So you see that both stability and innovation can be achieved? You can actually have both here. This is the advantage of the dual-track system."
"You said that we Chinese people have created such a set of theories to contribute to the whole world. I think future history will prove the greatness of Huaxia's plan, if it is based on the theory of neoclassical economics."
"Shock therapy, it's over. It tells you to open up completely. You have to know that we are a super-large country with a population of [-] billion. We are not allowed to make strategic mistakes. The price is unbearable or even unbearable. .”